A month or two ago I posted the article Can you pay your bills with your birth certificate?
In that post I talked about a friend who has gone through all of the proper steps to pay his bills using his birth certificate. He sent copies of appropriate Notices to the Receiver General, the Bank of Canada, Canada Revenue Agency, and Minister of Finance.
He has since forwarded me two of the responses that he received. Yes, he did receive a response from all 4 agencies. He said the other two were short and sent via email. My friend gave me permission to copy the letters to my blog as long as I remove any personally information which I have done.
The letters are attached to the bottom of this post. You will notice a lot of legal wording in these letters. The one from the Minister of Revenue talks a lot about income tax, even though the notices sent to him mentioned nothing about income tax at all. If you haven’t already read those notices they are included in the article about paying your bills with your birth certificate.
If there are any experienced freemen on the land out there reading this it would be great to get your response to the government’s response to Robert Arthur: Menard’s 96 fix, also known as ‘accepted for value’.
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Response from the Minister of National Revenue
Dear Mr. Name Removed For Privacy,
I am writing in response to your correspondence received on March 19 and 22, 2010, concerning your income tax affairs.
It seems you have received misleading information with repect to Canaed’s tax laws. The federal government has the legal authority to levy and collect taxes. This authority and the constitutionality of Canada’s tax system have been confirmed by ever major court decision that has dealt with these issues. The courts have confirmed the legality of the Income Tax Act under the Constitution Act, which includes the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Moreover, section 248 of the Income Tax Act provides a definition of “person” or any word or expression descriptive of a person. Various individuals and groups, however, refer to concepts such as “natural person,” “corporation sole,” “animator,” and “free-man-on-the-land,” terms whose meanings are not clear and that do not affect a person’s oblications under the Act.
Under Canada’s income tax system, the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA) does not control or censor the advice that Canadians exchange concerning income tax matters. While taxpayers are entitled to their own opinions, they are, nonetheless, responsible for their obligations under legislation passed by Parliament and enforced by the court system.
The CRA’s concern is that taxpayers who follow misleading information and accept incorrect advice could expose themselves to serious financial and legal problems, including reassessments, penalties, and interest charges, because of their failure to comply with the law. It is especially unfortunate that some taxpayers may have paid considerable fees for such misinformation. Some of the misleading information distributed by certain groups and individuals about income tax and the duties of the CRA is addressed on the CRA Web site at www.cra.gc.ca/myths.
The documents you included with your correspondence have no legal force or effect. The CRA cannot assist you in paying your personal financial obligations. I sugest that you contact your creditors directly if you are unable to meet your obligations and wish to discuss payment.
I trust that this information will be helpful.
Yours sincerely,
Keith Ashfield
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Response from Director General of the Bank of Canada
Dear Mr. Name Removed For Privacy,
We are writing in response to your letter, post-stamped February 24th 2010, addressed to the Receiver General for Canada. Given the nature of your request, we have been asked to respond to your letter and take appropriate action, if required.
After a review of the content of your correspondence, we wish to inform you that the items included is not a negotiable instrument recognized by the Financial Administration Act, nor is it a payment issued by the Receiver General and therefore we cannot accept it for payment.
As we are unable to respond directly to your demand, the papers included with your correspondence are being returned to you.
Yours sincerely,
Murielle Boucher
Director General
Banking and Cash Management Sector
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Word to the wise. The government will never pay any bills. That’s not too say that the concept is completely faulty, just shift your vision a little bit so you can see things from a different angle. Here’s a hint “they can’t make you pay for what is already given to you (by God)”. The Bible holds all the answers, and they have to uphold the Laws held therein.
One has to make the government recognize that he is co-heir with Lord Jesus Christ to all there is.
The result is maximum Peace and maximum Freedom. It shall be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.
This accepted for value works if you hold your ground on who you are and you do your diligence. I know people that have used that method and had success in Canada. The key is to keep pushing the documents and know your wording on contracts and sovereignty.
if you have story about the one who succeed, can you share the story of them and can they explain who they did it ?
Yes, please explain or give us information on those who did succeed as there seems to be no evidence of this at all.
I’d love to hear some stories of both success and failure of the 96 fix.
Also, discharging a mortgage or car loan.
It seems there’s information out there but no one actually doing it and reporting it.
If you want to discharge a mortgage of sorts, you must own your name and everything under your unbrella . You have to be come a free person them you are exempt from all levys or taxes. In short you have to understand the difference between you and a Duck or any free animal. They do what they want so why don’t we? In order to do what you want you need money for postage a good lawyer of same nature. Someone whom has done it before or is Free person. Learn the queens english and seek her protection. A Real Lawyer knows Biblical Law (Natural law) and Common Law. The rest are cheats for the system. In end you will own your strawman and dictate it its behalf and reap the benifits you never knew you had. Talk to you later. Peace
Hello,
I have reviewed the received correspondence…
The first letter from Keith is a standard one. Many people have received this letter in regards to many issues, myself included. It appears that if you question the CRA on any matter which is, shall we say: less ordinary, they send this “myth” letter.
Though I do love it how it starts off lying to the reader by saying “…constitutionality of Canada’s tax system have been confirmed by ever major court decision…”
Which, for those who have done the research, is obviously not true.
Otherwise, there is little to add. This is what freeman call a “run around letter”, attempting to distract the reader into reading their “myth” propaganda, reading the Income Tax Act, or giving up.
The second letter I find very interesting, especially the word use here.
Personally, I have never served the BOC, so I did enjoy this read (Thank you)
“Given the nature of your request”
This is an interesting choice of words. They admittedly know what it is you are referring to in your demand.
“take appropriate action, if required.”
Ah, the remedy itself.
You see, as this second letter points out, the sender of this “demand” failed to properly demand it. As mentioned, this lady is seeking an instrument to process, not a document demanding something.
As laid out, it would appear that they fully understand what you are asking, and they seem willing to assist, and yet can not. Why?
Procedure. In order for them to proceed, they require an instrument.
Though (need it be said?) I can not provide legal advice… May I suggest that you send an instrument along with your original demands, perhaps even directly to this lady here, and see what happens.
Interestingly enough…
Under the act so mentioned (Financial Administration Act), it reads:
Payments out of C.R.F.
Section 26. Subject to the Constitution Acts, 1867 to 1982, no payments shall be made out of the Consolidated Revenue Fund without the authority of Parliament.
R.S., c. F-10, s. 19.
Fascinating isn’t it? Oh, how I do love law.
Respectfully,
-Freeman
SC Freeman Society
Saskatchewan
I’m located in Saskatoon, Sk.If you are so inclined, if possible, I’d like to make your aquaintance over a coffe. Advise, please, where you are located.
I’m keenly interested in learning the ropes on this journey, as it looks as if there may be a few speedbumps on the road.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Respectfully submitted, John
Does it mean that I need to claim my right first to the security of the person
and I have to sent the claim of right to the parlement?
Hi ,
This SC Freeman Society and paying bills with your birth certificate
is very interesting I would like to know if there is any meeting in the Quebec and Ontario regions so we can exchange more info and please let me know if there is any blog related to the matter thank you please let me know .
Signe ; A new freeman on the land
Head over to worldfreemansociety.org and join the community forums there, they will be able to point you in the right direction.
I myself live in Vancouver and would really like to get together with like minds about this whole situation. I would really like to pick robs brain about it but unsure how to contact him. I would like to exercise this right but from what i have seen in videos and such it seems to be harder than it looks. LIke the reply letters are pretty much denying him but maybe because he didnt request it properly ? unclear and would like to hear from others who have had succes as well, anyone else in Vancouver would love to meet up
Hi there,
I live in Vancouver too..
If something sounds too good to be true that’s because it is too good to be true
I would love to actually hear of some success stories too. Standard letter from the CRA or not, it would be good to see some confirmation letters where something like this IS accepted, and what those letters confirming that it’s true, or paid, etc… would look like.
The way I see it…canada is a corporation being sold piece by piece to the highest bidder. They are gradually privatizing every department of the U.S. and Canadian Government, thereby creating shares to be sold off. Those shares actually belong to you and I…taxpayers who have bought and paid for everything the Government spends and uses for their disposals…Therefore, we are subject to dividend payments to the stock and any profit earned on sales of those shares are legally ours to be divided amongst us, or continued dividend payments on profit from increase in stock value. The value of that stock is determined on the forecasted profit earned from taxation…which is gradually being increased to include carbon taxes, higher gas taxes…taxes for your flatulence and respiratory requirements…so there is A LOT of profit to be made off you and I thereby increasing the value of those stocks…All we would have to do therefore is find a way to stake our claim…
You cannot PAY anything with the birth certificate. PAYMENT has nothing to do with the birth certificate. PAYMENT is exclusively part of the money system. The BC is not used for discharge either. Money and PAYMENT is ledger accounting. BC is “nullification” of debt, discharge is dishonour (bankruptcy). What makes you think they are YOUR bills? Were they addressed to YOU or the name you use in commerce? Where is your energy vested? Where is the property you are using vested? Who comes into the world first You or the NAME? Who leaves this world first YOU or the NAME. Where does the debt reside? some questions that may bring you closer to understanding…hmmm
They will ALWAYS dishonour your A4V, so you should go into it expecting this. When they do, you then file a commercial lien on the individual person who dishonhoured it. When they dishonour it, you then sue on the liquid document. The clever bit is not actually about the money: in your affidavits you create a new contract with them that insures that i) they do not collect on the outstanding debt and ii) that will not alter your credit rating. The lien is used as a counter-claim in case they dishonour your affidavit. One more thing: before using A4V give them notice that you will be using it!!! Demand that they send you a formal offer in the form of a bill and you will set-off the account. Then, when they do send it, they can’t use plausible deniability. Good luck!
Thank you for this insight. My partner and I are currently doing the 96 fix. They sent a letter saying :we do not accept the positions as mentionned in your letter….interesting words. Anyways, I was told to submit them again because when you resubmit them they are forced to do it the second time.
I was reading the response letters to 96 is your fix, and thought they were interesting. I realise this post is old, and you may already have the info you need but here is my 2 cents anyway.
#1 What documentation did your friend send in?
#2 The birth certificate alone is not enough to set off dept, after sending the B.Cert
to the minister of finance/ treasury, you must aslo send in a set off bond and aslo an indemnity bond for good measure, then you will use the set off bond to set off dept. the process is alot more involved then this, and requires an administrative procedure to have the treasuries acceptance. after these things are in place an administrative procedure is required for each A4V so it is recomended that you bundle a bunch together to cut down on the cost of completing your admin procedure. If your looking for sucess stories and process info download the Creditors in commerce audio class sessions for free at creditors in commerce.com. you can also download all relevant forms and examples. there are many living men and women who are continuing to have 100% sucess with the A4V process, but it requires a good deal of study and knoledge of the process involved.
#4 If no one will accept your birth cert. with bankers acceptance in canada, lodge it with the U.S. treasury, as they are used to it over there.
#5 call Canada Revenue Agency and ask them what department you send set offs to, this is where you send A4vs, but they will require a fee for processing them, so you need the right form so they can access your bond and pay themselves. some people have sucess sending ther A4vs to the cheif financial officer of whatever corporation you get the alleged bill from, because the C.F.O has the ability to act on the private side, but you will likely only recive a response from someone else in the corporation, but if they keep the a4v and only give some lame response then they have been paid, and it’s only a matter of expressing this and holding your mud.
Also because there is no lawful money, no one can demand payment in any particular form, and so you have the choice to pay in any form you choose, and if you offer payment (A4v) and they send it back to you, they have just refused payment and so you no longer owe anything !!! Again, you dont really need any forms lodged with anyone, no form will ever make you soverign, to get anyone to accept anything you send them you just need to know who you are, and have a good working knoledge of contract law, specifically Acceptance, Conditional acceptance, refusal, and silence.
there is a legal maxim which states that ignorance of the law excuses no one. but there are over 3 million law books written on any subject you can imagine, and you can hardly be expected to read even one without falling asleep. So in my studies the 4 points of contract stated above are in my opinion the most important key to all I have learned so far. For this leagal maxim to be true it implies simplicity and I think that we all make things alot more complicated then they really are. Anyone can remember these 4 points, and this knoledge combined with an understanding that everything is by our consent will make anyone who truly takes the time to study these things a force to be rekoned with.
#6 Always respond to any response you get from anyone, or you are accepting by silence everything that is stated in their response. Always set the terms of the response that you require from them so that if they respond in any other way you can send it back with REUSAL FOR CAUSE written across it. Everything you receive from them as a response is an offer and must be treated as such. If you have not sent them back a response of your own, or sent them back what they sent you , including the envelope they sent it to you in with REFUSAL FOR CAUSE written across it as well then you have accepted their offer.
#7 The response letter from CRA is especially interesting as they are not saying they wont help you, they only say in this case that they can’t assist you in paying your personal obligations. I.E your “persons” obligations. It appears that they have aknoledged that you have a person, and also they sugest you contact “your creditors” They have also aknoledged that you are attempting to act as responsable trustee, that you are a creditor and that you are in charge of your creditors. If you are asking them to “assist you” in paying your depts you are acting as a deptor and they have no responsability to do anything for you. Did you respond to this letter? Did they keep what you sent them or did they send it back to you? If they kept it ,they are waiting to see if you are going to act like a creditor and call them on the fact that they have accepted what you sent them. I have seen similar letters from CRA and mostly they are saying that they are bound by their own rules, but they are pointing out that there is a remedy within the income tax act.
They are asking us to file the proper forms to get a remedy through their rules and regulations (Origonal issue discount/redemption). For more info on this check out Canadians in commerce.com.
It’s awesome to see these responses as they can’t tell us directly what we must do, they can only hint and point us in the right direction, it’s frustrating and also beautifull at the same time, because it’s obvious to me that they really do want us to be fully responsable for ourselvs. I beleive that there is a huge percentage of government employees who don’t want to see the system crash, and that they really are trying to help us in any way they can. These people are our brothers and sisters and it seems from the responses they have sent you that they are honoring you and the choices you have made. They did not have to respond at all, but they did, and they have provided you with a classic confession and avoidence. They slip us clues, avoiding everything, but confessing everything. I would feel proud to get responses like these. Knoledge is power and as with any great power it can destroy us or set us free, we each hold the power of absolute destruction and absolute creation, especially in regards to the controll we have in the world of commerce. you are going to be tested over and over again until you prove you can be responsable for your your own affairs, if it were not like this the government would be essentally handing out atomic weapons to children.
Good luck, have faith, and always remember to keep asking questions( AS-KING)
Wisdom can not be taught it can only be learned.
Regan
This freeman business works! I have been a Freeman for the last two years and while I am not interested in the commercial aspects (AFV, etc) I can say that standing under Common Law, standing Sui Juris, WORKS if you have familiarized yourself with the procedural details, especially knowing the traps set to ensnare you and how to avoid them.
My wife and I have been dealing with the local magistrates court (we are in Queensland, Australia) about forfeiture of our car to the government (for driving without registration)
Result: four times we have been in court (mind you: NOT crossing the bar!) but remaining in the public gallery and four times we have denied them jurisdiction.
They are now in a corner from which they cannot extricate themselves: true, they still have the car but they have run out of lawful means to forfeit it! The reason is very simple; without our consent they have no jurisdiction and without jurisdiction they cannot lawfully do anything. We’ll get the car back as they have no way to forfeit it; all they are doing at the moment is playing for time and dragging their feet.
They have run out of options – we haven’t. We have placed commercial liens against the cops and the magistrate involved and I have now involved the attorney-general of Queensland as well as the police minister. If necessary they’ll get a lien placed against them as well.
There is only one true law: Common Law. How to define Common Law?
COMMON sense + moral LAW = COMMON LAW
1) INFORM YOURSELF
2) HONOUR COMMON LAW
(which is really about honouring yourself and your fellow man/woman)
3) STAND YOUR GROUND
That’s really all there is. Why would anybody want to be a slave when they can be and should be free?
Cheers
Thanks heaps Bernard. We are working on ideas here in Perth, Western Australia. Would you be able to share some info with us?
cheers Graeme
Sounds fun. Good luck.
“unfortunately all of the people who say this has worked for them have not replied to my emails or requests for further information…
I’d really like to hear the details on someone’s success story!”-Mitch
Don’t hold your breath waiting, Mitch!
I am going through the process of the birthcertificate as a bond myself, one of the keys is to appoint those public servants as fiducuary, (iether debtor, or trustee) then they are obligated.
the other thing is the fact that CANADA is a US corporation, thus send your bonds and instructions (bond order) to the US treasury.
Anyone who wants to learn this process, I would suggest studying Winston Shrout.
peacelovehonour. Bri
They show you how to live free in their corporate world. It’s right there staring you in the face…lol they are playing with your intelligence…the magic is through CRA.
Get all your income tax “retuned” if you just step to the side and let your trust do all the work. No need to play that stupid game of a4v …lol..it’s been killing everybody trying to do it. Stop acting like a corporate fiction and start acting like a trustee.
unfortunately all of the people who say this has worked for them have not replied to my emails or requests for further information…
I’d really like to hear the details on someone’s success story!
Hi Mitch,
I just sent something on the way to moderating and hope that you receive it.
Success stories come with different covers and backpages.
I came across your listing today. Glad that I did.
My name is Paul and I am contacting you from Ontario, Canada.
Accepted for Value as People doing it say ‘Evolves.’
Let’s talk evolution and we will have the answers that we all are so desperately seeking.
I started the Bond Thing in Prior 2007. Funny things have happened. Too close to be coincidental.
It unfolds before me as if I were the master. Lost everything in The Abuse of Process my friend. No problem. All forgiven. It was not really their fault. The fault lay in The Trust.
Does anyone have a solution and can we convice all 500 members or so to committ to that solution. It involves Acceptance and Value.
Here is a reality check: ‘What if the Authorized Agent is actually sending us a request for extension of Credit?’
‘What if The Authorized Agent does not know that they are sending us a request for extension of credit?’
Either way, doesn’t matter. Return it back to them accepted as a valuable instrument payable to them without recourse to the endorsor.
Will discuss later after seeing what was sent as a fix.
Peace.
sent by paul.